History of Atheists

I suggest you go into the wilderness, sit and be quiet and listen to the sounds of the river. Watch the clouds and shut down your mind. Listen.


I think we have had this conversation before and all you heard was nothing. hahaha.

Maybe eat some mushrooms, that might help you connect with a different reality than the reality that you insist is all there is. That may "Prove" it to you.

If I eat mushrooms then see some supernatural shit, I’m more than likely just gonna blame the hallucinogenic drugs I consumed, rather than a god. Proof, in the religious sense, is a relative term and means something very different to each of us. I’ve spent lots of time in the wilderness... the all-powerful one has not made any effort to bring me to his side yet.

It's cool. Just spoke with Binger. Saska will be duly ignored. 

Thats just getting high in the woods

Yes. It would be. Maybe better than going to school and learning how to pay off my loan. haha. 

All I'm saying is some of you are not open to anything other that proof. Ya know scientist thought the world was flat at one time. They also think to this day that God does not exist. Spirituality is where I come from. Not religion. Oh and scientists change their mind almost every day. What proof is that? 

The changing of minds in science is proof of it's devotion to proof. When new data comes along that shows something that had been previously missed, and that data can be repeated and verified, then minds are changed. That's a sign of progress. When you refuse to change your mind in the face of overwhelming evidence, that's the opposite of progress, and it's what happens in most religions on a regular basis. Evolution is probably the best example of that... Science is always learning new things about the process. Most religions still believe in the same creation story that they had from thousands of years ago, even though we now know that most of those stories could not have happened the way it was claimed. 

It's not offensive to label atheism as a religion, I would more classify that as intellectually dishonest at best. Moronic and mind-numbingly stupid at most accurate.

No, "science" has never dictated the world as being flat, as the Bible does. It is not brilliant for the Bible to suggest it either, it is ignorant of reality both then and now.

No, this is absolutely false. There was never a time in history that the scientific process was used to prove a flat earth. You are mistaking "science" with "common thought". The scientific process as we know it -- consisting of: systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses -- was not really characterized in a widespread manner until the 17th century.

Now, that is not to say that elements of the scientific process was never used until then. Ancient Greeks used aspects of the scientific process (observation, measurement, experimentation) to make deductions about the spherical nature of the Earth, and Eratosthenes even attempted to calculate the circumference. Pretty cool stuff, and I urge you and anyone else to check out this video:



Science -- through the scientific method -- is the most powerful tool known to humankind for advancing knowledge about this Universe. Established science -- through the scientific method -- makes useful predictions that are extremely reliable and accurate. Look to the recent solar eclipse. Our technology that allows us to communicate is directly responsible through true understanding of natural phenomena.

The Bible has never and will never have this type of power to explain this world, let alone this Universe. If anything it took a long while to break from the shackles of religion that is content in ignorance, because of the very thing that you find it "beautiful" for -- it is an archaic document that is representative of the archaic explanations of its time of invention.

Through the use of the scientific method, Galileo made discoveries which suggested a heliocentric (surprise! "God" did not put us in the center of everything! *sadface*) view of our solar system -- and was subsequently labelled a heretic, and sentenced to indefinite imprisonment. Why the reluctance of the Church to accept this discovery? Well, for one, there are literal passages in the Bible which are at odds with that:

Psalm 19:6: It [the sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.
Psalm 93:1: The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved.
Psalm 104:5: (Bless the LORD…) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Ecclesiastes 1:5: The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

And no, as much as you want to dismiss these phrases as "parables" I see no beauty or lessons to be learned from repeated wrong explanations of natural phenomena. Not to mention, the rampant misogyny and backwards culture customs that the Bible is plagued by. Nothing beautiful about that, in the least.

How many people need to teach San Diego how science works.

Yes. It would be. Maybe better than going to school and learning how to pay off my loan. haha. 

All I'm saying is some of you are not open to anything other that proof. Ya know scientist thought the world was flat at one time. They also think to this day that God does not exist. Spirituality is where I come from. Not religion. Oh and scientists change their mind almost every day. What proof is that? 

Bc I went back to my post history and copied and pasted the specific post that was relevant to the conversation?

What is intellectually dishonest and mind-numbingly stupid is this response. You're original point was that it was equally offensive to label atheism a religion as it was to label Christianity mythology. Now you respond like a troll to try to sound clever. Par for the course, you're not clever.

You do realize, in your ridiculous way of quoting, you said this when quoting something completely unrelated? Anyhow, you go on to argue that the scientific process was never used to prove the earth was flat. Which is not nearly the same as saying that scientists believed the earth to be flat. Would it make you feel better if I said geocentric instead of flat?

In regards to your treatise on science, what exactly are you replying to? You basically ignored all the questions posed and copy/pasted some pro science argument that nobody disputes. What I actually said was, "I find no contradiction in supporting science to the fullest extent." Why are you spending so much time defending science? Again, in regards to Galileo, do you think the entire issue was simply scientific conservatism? It wasn't. You ignored the statement in regards to the Catholic Church throughout history has done much more to further science than suppress science. As far as your biblical quotes are concerned, the Bible does not make the case for geocentrism. You didn't even pick the most obvious text, Joshua 10, to make your case. Its not an original thought, this has been debated. Do you also go apeshit when someone says "What a beautiful sunrise" and lecture them for an hour on the beauty of science?