you're quoting Ron stating "if"; which means that he didn't break rules/laws. New rules are being made for supreme court justices in terms of financial disclosures, which I assume you are against.
Why would you assume that? If the rules were in place, he could easily comply. Stop being obtuse.
It's also obvious what this shows and what people are not ok with. They do not want the highest courts in the land being courted (given money) by billionaires.
you're quoting Ron stating "if"; which means that he didn't break rules/laws. New rules are being made for supreme court justices in terms of financial disclosures, which I assume you are against.
Why would you assume that? If the rules were in place, he could easily comply. Stop being obtuse.
It's also obvious what this shows and what people are not ok with. They do not want the highest courts in the land being courted (given money) by billionaires.
Because I am discussing right/wrong. I am sure you can opine if you think disclosure rules are good/bad fair/not fair. Just because something is not a rule/law doesn't mean that it is still something that shouldn't be done. I don't think Justices should be accepting money from billionaires and that seems to be the sentiment of many people. I don't know your stance on that, maybe you'll opine.
If the rules were in place, he could easily comply. Stop being obtuse.
Yes, he could. Ron's saying that rules are more stringent for other federal bodies; it's odd that the supreme court justices are allowed to not disclose money/gifts given to them outside the government.
How so?
I explained the how so: People do not want the highest courts in the land being courted (given money) by billionaires. I'm sure you're ok with it based on your defense of this. That's ok to hold that opinion, and maybe you can explain why you hold that opinion. I am of the opinion that it's not ok because it seems like improper influence on a justice that could influence decisions. You can argue the merits of that position and why it's not a good position, or you can go the route of giving examples of other justices being given money by billionaires and pretending I am ok with it. I'll just say now I am not ok with it meaing that conversation would be pointless.
It is concerning that a long standing Supreme Court Justice has been propped up by a Billionaire donor for so long. Everything that has come out about Thomas puts every single one of his decisions into question.
Clarence Thomas would be immediately terminated if standard U.S. government policy applied to him.
So, personal anecdote aside. What laws or rules did Justice Thomas break?
Its obvious lots of racists on the left hate Thomas, he doesn't fit their preconceived notions and he can define 'woman'. To bad for them, they're pieces of shit.
I don't know if Thomas broke any laws and I don't care.
Thomas has ruined his reputation for impartiality. For an SJC, impartiality is sacred if people are to have faith in the judicial system. If people come to believe the courts are "rigged" they will ignore the law.
BTW Who are you accusing of being a racist? Who are you accusing of being "pieces of shit"? What makes you so angry?
It is concerning that a long standing Supreme Court Justice has been propped up by a Billionaire donor for so long. Everything that has come out about Thomas puts every single one of his decisions into question.
I listened to most of it. I understand Cruz's defense. I also understand that Clarence Thomas is under attack from liberals and for some Cruz may have correctly inferred their motiviation.
My ask is that Clarence Thomas cut it out. Just stop taking money from others. That's it. It's the same ask I would have of any judge, at any level.
You know I was a blistering critic of Hillary Clinton. A friend once asked me why the right was so intent on attacking Hilary Clinton. My response, which I explained later, was "Because they can". Clinton provided the basis which justified the attack. Using her own email server, losing 30,000 emails, sending classified documents to Abideen which later landed on her husbands laptop, "Carlos Danger"/
The left response was to point out that some Republicans had also used their own email server.
It doesn't matter, it's wrong and needs to stop, regardless if you are Republican or Democrat.
If we want to clean up government, we need to clean it up wherever we find dirt.
I listened to most of it. I understand Cruz's defense. I also understand that Clarence Thomas is under attack from liberals and for some Cruz may have correctly inferred their motiviation.
My ask is that Clarence Thomas cut it out. Just stop taking money from others. That's it. It's the same ask I would have of any judge, at any level.
You know I was a blistering critic of Hillary Clinton. A friend once asked me why the right was so intent on attacking Hilary Clinton. My response, which I explained later, was "Because they can". Clinton provided the basis which justified the attack. Using her own email server, losing 30,000 emails, etc.
The left response was to point out that some Republicans had also used their own email server.
It doesn't matter it's wrong and needs to stop, regardless if you are Republican or Democrat.
It's odd that Cruz went from detailing that justice's "took trips" and the number of them, followed by one trip (not a vacation/yacht or financing their spouses salaries) financed by a billionaire. Indicating that all other trips were not vacations or financed by the wealthy?
Because I am discussing right/wrong. I am sure you can opine if you think disclosure rules are good/bad fair/not fair. Just because something is not a rule/law doesn't mean that it is still something that shouldn't be done. I don't think Justices should be accepting money from billionaires and that seems to be the sentiment of many people. I don't know your stance on that, maybe you'll opine.
What? He followed all disclosure requirements. Thomas is one of the better SCJ's and there isn't one instance any of his detractors can point to that could even hint at anything nefarious in any of his rulings, from day 1. Hell, in this made for tv sensationalism episode, Harlan Crow, of all people, a moderate anti-Trumper is a NAZI! Lol.
n 2008, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas decided to send his teenage grandnephew to Hidden Lake Academy, a private boarding school in the foothills of northern Georgia. The boy, Mark Martin, was far from home. For the previous decade, he had lived with the justice and his wife in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. Thomas had taken legal custody of Martin when he was 6 years old and had recently told an interviewer he was “raising him as a son.”
Tuition at the boarding school ran more than $6,000 a month. But Thomas did not cover the bill. A bank statement for the school from July 2009, buried in unrelated court filings, shows the source of Martin’s tuition payment for that month: the company of billionaire real estate magnate Harlan Crow.
Boston Globe
It is concerning that a long standing Supreme Court Justice has been propped up by a Billionaire donor for so long. Everything that has come out about Thomas puts every single one of his decisions into question. How many of his opinions and votes have been influenced by Crow? I would imagine a lot of them. A Billionaire like him would not do these many personal favors and give this lifestyle to Thomas if he wasn't a Supreme Court Justice, and he definitely wouldn't be doing this kind of stuff and handing out this kind of money and favors if he wasn't getting anything in return. That's just the facts of life of how billionaires live, not even touching on the fact that Crow has a well documented Nazi fascination. Clarence Thomas no longer has any integrity as a justice.
Maybe he just likes to say "Look at my African American over there."
Thomas has ruined his reputation for impartiality. For an SJC, impartiality is sacred if people are to have faith in the judicial system. If people come to believe the courts are "rigged" they will ignore the law.
But he hasn't, despite the hissy fit. Name one case where you sense something impartial. Any, from day 1.
Because I am discussing right/wrong. I am sure you can opine if you think disclosure rules are good/bad fair/not fair. Just because something is not a rule/law doesn't mean that it is still something that shouldn't be done. I don't think Justices should be accepting money from billionaires and that seems to be the sentiment of many people. I don't know your stance on that, maybe you'll opine.
What? He followed all disclosure requirements. Thomas is one of the better SCJ's and there isn't one instance any of his detractors can point to that could even hint at anything nefarious in any of his rulings, from day 1. Hell, in this made for tv sensationalism episode, Harlan Crow, of all people, a moderate anti-Trumper is a NAZI! Lol.
I didn't say he didn't follow all disclosure requirements; and you even took out the part that I am letting you know I am not stating that.
I was asking you to opine if it should be ok for any supreme court justice to be receiving money from billonaires - this would include $600,000+ vacations on yachts, financing his wife's salary and pet projects (catered to partisan projects), purchasing property and paying for their families schooling. To me, that shows the appearance of being bought/paid for. They were not friends until after be became a supreme court justice, so it wasn't as if it was a long time friend. I was asking you to opine on whether you think that is ok, or if you even have a line on where it is crossed. The line wouldn't be at the exact moment that he happens to rule on something that benefited a billionaire. It would be impossible to know the motive if it any decision that benefited said billionaire's fortune would have been decided the same way regardless of the money being given to Justice Thomas.
Thomas has ruined his reputation for impartiality. For an SJC, impartiality is sacred if people are to have faith in the judicial system. If people come to believe the courts are "rigged" they will ignore the law.
But he hasn't, despite the hissy fit. Name one case where you sense something impartial. Any, from day 1.
I answered this in my real life example. It doesn't matter if Thomas gave anything in return.
As an SJC he carry himself in an impartial manner at all times. Obviously, Thomas doesn't understand this, but millions of Americans do
It would be impossible to know the motive if it any decision that benefited said billionaire's fortune would have been decided the same way regardless of the money being given to Justice Thomas.
It really wouldn't be. Thomas is fairly consistent in his rulings. How do his rulings differ from before and after he met Crow? Has anyone trying to sensationalize this for political purposes made any case for impartiality? Let me know.
Its interesting that you think this is such a 'gotcha' and invalidates his valid statement. So obtuse.
I'm glad you find that interesting, I'm sure you can understand why someone wouldn't rely on his explanation. Hopefully you can steelman that position in good faith, but I don't think that's what you're here for.
What is your stance on Justice's receiving money from billionaires? That billionaires should be able to give as much gifts/money they want up until the point it's obvious that said justice made a decision he wouldn't have otherwise had it not been for those gifts? Then you say "ok, that's enough"? I think you stop it before it can get to that point, is my position. Maybe you can clarify your position on how much money a billionaire can give a Justice before you wouldn't be ok with it.
It would be impossible to know the motive if it any decision that benefited said billionaire's fortune would have been decided the same way regardless of the money being given to Justice Thomas.
It really wouldn't be. Thomas is fairly consistent in his rulings. How do his rulings differ from before and after he met Crow? Has anyone trying to sensationalize this for political purposes made any case for impartiality? Let me know.
Of course it is impossible. It is impossible to know motives of someone without using brain scans. He isn't a robot, he is a human. He doesn't work on algorithms that he cannot go against. All you can do is assume. "ya that's consistent". You cannot say "it is impossible that he was ever influenced by anything on decisions he made".
This means that Thomas would get a pass on any money (or amount) he receives from billionaires; that is.. up until the point he rules on something you don't agree with/don't expect him to that ties directly to money he received. By that time, it's too late.