Back on topic, this is why all normal people should reject this nonsense at every level and every opportunity. Like all disease, looking the other allows it to spread and cause more carnage. When you see any person, group or company endorse, support and or promote this bullshit it is a mistake to shrug it off. You must do what you can to minimize it and improve the health of the country.
On the downside you have: costly increasingly violent promotes division normalizes mental health problems downgrades intelligence physically and emotionally damages kids
You're invited to list an upside but it's an impossible bar to clear to make it worth it.
On the downside you have: costly increasingly violent promotes division normalizes mental health problems downgrades intelligence physically and emotionally damages kids
You're invited to list an upside but it's an impossible bar to clear to make it worth it.
No no I'm going back to the original topic. And boycotting rainbow and supporting that community.
On the topic of trans in sports... Absolutely against it unless they don't have a men's equivalent league.
On the downside you have: costly increasingly violent promotes division normalizes mental health problems downgrades intelligence physically and emotionally damages kids
You're invited to list an upside but it's an impossible bar to clear to make it worth it.
No no I'm going back to the original topic. And boycotting rainbow and supporting that community.
On the topic of trans in sports... Absolutely against it unless they don't have a men's equivalent league.
I think it's funny seeing the boycott videos and the mention of other products, or use of other products in the videos, from companies that have shown similar support to that community.
No no I'm going back to the original topic. And boycotting rainbow and supporting that community.
I explained that too, perhaps too briefly and not clearly.
Trans in sports is an obvious no brainer (unless you take the no brain way too far). The problem is you can't separate the sports out of the agenda and they won't let you. Normalizing it and promoting it has comprehensive and long term highly damaging consequences, and not just for those kids who suffer mutilation from misguided terrorists.
We get twerking for toddlers replacing education in schools, unserious gov't officials, universities law schools fighting against the 1A, laws criminalizing thoughts that don't conform to their agenda, college grads who aren't educated enough to pay for their schooling, normalized violence backed by the administration....
Hell, we have a new judge on the SCOTUS who as a qualification claims (and I'm not making this up) she doesn't know what a woman is.
We had kids getting killed in school and the administration is openly supporting the killer.
We went thousands of years with normal athletic competition and a normal society. There isn't any way to just return athletics back to normal without returning society to normal. There's no such thing a a half-baked mind.
Ideally at least for competitive/pro sports decided by actual biology, testosterone, hormone levels etc. So yes that would mean men and women would be competeting in some circumstances.
But then again, it's just sports so it's a none serious argument to begin with and not a real issue for America to deal with, and the fact that legislation has to be considered in the first place is a an embarrassment for everyone involved.
Sports are "none serious"? You realize that sports in america is a multi multi billion dollar industry right?
And that means it takes legislative priority over other issues? No, it's a nonsense conservative distraction and doesn't affect them getting their money in the slightest.
A penis or vegina is a dogshit way to differentiate athletic ability. What of the people that have both?
It's a mistake to simply laugh at smitty's ignorance. He's sounding the bullhorn, pay serious attention. Just because he attended the University of of Playbox at Basement doesn't mean we should dismiss what is happening with our once real schools.
The "professor" is a PhD (no, I'm not calling him doctor) self bio- Senior Lecturer in the Department of Anthropology and Managing Faculty Director for the Center for Civil Rights and Racial Justice in the Law School at the University Pittsburgh. He is a socio-cultural anthropologist earning his Ph.D from the University of Texas at Austin in Anthropology focusing in Black Diaspora Studies and Masculinity. His research interests include the social constructions of race and racism, masculinity, gender, sex, Black Feminist and Black Queer theory, anthropology of sport and Black Diaspora. www.anthropology.pitt.edu/people/gabby-m-h-yearwood
Woke is making school ever more expensive and students stoopidder. That is what is behind the push for taxpayers to finance this nonsense. The country gets poorer both financially and intellectually.
Google what a bimodal sex is.
A whole lot of the time you can probably determine the sex of a skeleton within the range of male or female. Other times it's not immediately obvious, because it's a times a spectrum.
Thank you. You are making my point. Some (yes, that's way too many) believe you can accept the woke agenda while preserving the sanity of sports/athletics. You are clear evidence that simply isn't possible.
A whole lot of the time you can probably determine the sex of a skeleton within the range of male or female. Other times it's not immediately obvious, because it's a times a spectrum.
"A lot of the time..."? Yeah, every time save the .0000000000012%. No one is disputing there are anomalies (freaks) of nature. That isn't, and indeed can't be an excuse for trying to replace sanity, biology and normality to society.
Sports are "none serious"? You realize that sports in america is a multi multi billion dollar industry right?
And that means it takes legislative priority over other issues? No, it's a nonsense conservative distraction and doesn't affect them getting their money in the slightest.
What do you mean "legislative priority"? You are aware that at any given time,there are dozens of pieces of legislation moving through Congress at the same time? They don't just start one bill, then work on absolutely nothing else until the final votes. Same thing with state legislatures
And that means it takes legislative priority over other issues? No, it's a nonsense conservative distraction and doesn't affect them getting their money in the slightest.
What do you mean "legislative priority"? You are aware that at any given time,there are dozens of pieces of legislation moving through Congress at the same time? They don't just start one bill, then work on absolutely nothing else until the final votes. Same thing with state legislatures
Is this issue not the priority messaging campaign for Republicans? Are you not talking about it right now instead of other far more important issues? Do Republicans not just default everything back to "left are woke/groomers?" Like their goal is not just a way to backdoor more school privatization and education control under the guise of "woke public schools"?
It's dominating conversations politics and it's stupid as fuck. They need to get a grip on reality and leave people alone.
Thank you. You are making my point. Some (yes, that's way too many) believe you can accept the woke agenda while preserving the sanity of sports/athletics. You are clear evidence that simply isn't possible.
A whole lot of the time you can probably determine the sex of a skeleton within the range of male or female. Other times it's not immediately obvious, because it's a times a spectrum.
"A lot of the time..."? Yeah, every time save the .0000000000012%. No one is disputing there are anomalies (freaks) of nature. That isn't, and indeed can't be an excuse for trying to replace sanity, biology and normality to society.
So you admit my point is true, called then freaks, and choose to ignore you were wrong because you're not personally affected by the issue.
What do you mean "legislative priority"? You are aware that at any given time,there are dozens of pieces of legislation moving through Congress at the same time? They don't just start one bill, then work on absolutely nothing else until the final votes. Same thing with state legislatures
Is this issue not the priority messaging campaign for Republicans? Are you not talking about it right now instead of other far more important issues? Do Republicans not just default everything back to "left are woke/groomers?" Like their goal is not just a way to backdoor more school privatization and education control under the guise of "woke public schools"?
It's dominating conversations politics and it's stupid as fuck. They need to get a grip on reality and leave people alone.
Ah. You're a "can only do one thing, and one thing only, at a time" person. Once again, you mentioned "reality" earlier in the thread but chose to ignore it when it counters your argument.
Is this issue not the priority messaging campaign for Republicans? Are you not talking about it right now instead of other far more important issues? Do Republicans not just default everything back to "left are woke/groomers?" Like their goal is not just a way to backdoor more school privatization and education control under the guise of "woke public schools"?
It's dominating conversations politics and it's stupid as fuck. They need to get a grip on reality and leave people alone.
Ah. You're a "can only do one thing, and one thing only, at a time" person. Once again, you mentioned "reality" earlier in the thread but chose to ignore it when it counters your argument.
Don't start projecting that nonsense on to me. If it's taking attention away at all then it's already too much.
Ah. You're a "can only do one thing, and one thing only, at a time" person. Once again, you mentioned "reality" earlier in the thread but chose to ignore it when it counters your argument.
Don't start projecting that nonsense on to me. If it's taking attention away at all then it's already too much.
Disenfranchising minority groups is a nonstarter.
Ah, ignore the issue and hope it goes away. Let me ask you this though. You're so against "disenfranchising" people, what about the "disenfranchisement" of biological women? Do you not care about them?
Should cis woman who clearly has a significant advantage over other women be banned as well?
Nope. The key to that is the same biology. But that is just an attempt by you to move the goalposts....
For the record, cisgender women are banned from international track and field competition, if they have a testosterone level above an arbitrary, unscientific limit. There have been cisgender women with naturally higher testosterone levels who have been banned. Not the same issue, of course, but I thought that it was important to note that some "natural advantages" are allowed but that one isn't.
Nope. The key to that is the same biology. But that is just an attempt by you to move the goalposts....
For the record, cisgender women are banned from international track and field competition, if they have a testosterone level above an arbitrary, unscientific limit. There have been women with naturally higher testosterone levels who have been banned. Not the same issue, of course but I thought that it was important to note that some "natural advantages" are allowed but that one isn't.
That is a different issue. One solution for that would be to somehow establish a baseline level for each competitor and for successive tests, see if there is an artificial increase from the baseline.
You're OK with assaulting someone if their opinion is different than yours. That's a very, very dangerous position to take.
No I'm okay with assaulting bigots. Big difference. We can have a respectable conversation on trade or whatever, and agree to disagree when opinions don't align.
On this topic however there's nothing to discuss. That's cut and dry.
It's pretty cut and dry to people who don't really care about trans people, too. People, who aren't knowingly affected by an issue, can much more easily not care about it and much more easily "be above it" and discuss it in an "objective," dispassionate way. In fact, violence by anti-discrimination activists can bother them much more than discrimination (including fatal violence) against marginalized people. Some people still shit on abolitionist, John Brown, more than they do the brutal enslavement of black people in the U.S. (and they're not all foaming at the mouth, anti-black racists).
That said, I think that, if violence is used, it should be used effectively to move closer towards a positive goal. Just lashing out can scare people into accepting some positive change. But that will tend to come from larger scale violence. Just assaulting this woman or an alt-right leader allows them to play on their victimhood, allows people who were already opposed to positive change to point to the assault and hide their bigotry behind criticism of the assault, and turn off people who were hypothetically on the fence.
Don't agree? Look at how our governments and right wing organizations have infiltrated activist groups and peaceful protests to encourage violence and property destruction. Violence that isn't well-thought-out tends to not only be ineffective, but also counterproductive. If the opposition wants us to do that, why play into it?