But, he indirectly, and undoubtedly unintentionally, makes a good observation.
Like many businesses, campuses, etc. there are strict rules regarding carrying weapons onto airplanes. So what's different? The difference is they're enforced. Here enforced through metal detection, screening and body scans.
I can't carry a seemingly harmless jackknife into an airplane but Johnny Shooter can walk into an elementary school with a loaded firearm... Why?! How?!
The schools are at fault for not deploying metal detectors. Everywhere we go, we need metal detectors?
How about just get rid of the metal? That was easy
I walk through detectors when I walk into work, the grocery store, my village offices, etc... I probably walk through a half dozen metal detectors throughout my normal days....and maybe some I don't know about.
It's not terrible and I don't need counseling for it.
Probably one of the most misunderstood and abused language in the consititution.
Make up your mind...you can't pretend to support the Constitution and hate it simultaneously.
You are making the "constitution only covers muskets" argument. Silly but empty. It appeals to younger Americans deprived of meaningful education.
The Constitution details the structure of government, the responsibilities of government and the limits of government. The Bill of Rights (yep, that's the name of it) details the rights of government.
Just kidding, it outlines the rights of the people the government cannot infringe on- speech-religion-treatment of the criminally accused-property owners-firearms....
The term militia appers in the main body of the Constitution also (surprise!)-Article I, Section 8- To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
The term "militia" (the key but specific word you hope for) refers to civilian ownership. That wasn't by mistake, the Constitution already provides for an Army. The framers found private ownership of firearms crucial to the preservation of the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. In fact it's listed at (and I'm not making this up) #2 in the Bill of Rights.
More meaningful- Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder.
Yep, they were tasked with bringing their own firearm, ammo and powder.
Did it ever bring you to wonder just how those who created the country had less understanding of their intent than present day activists?
I walk through detectors when I walk into work, the grocery store, my village offices, etc... I probably walk through a half dozen metal detectors throughout my normal days....and maybe some I don't know about.
It's not terrible and I don't need counseling for it.
This seems impractical. I have no experience with anything like this outside of things like airports. Sporting events and large concerts have "wands" but that about covers it. How do you pass without keys, phone, watch, belt buckle....setting it off?
But, he indirectly, and undoubtedly unintentionally, makes a good observation.
Like many businesses, campuses, etc. there are strict rules regarding carrying weapons onto airplanes. So what's different? The difference is they're enforced. Here enforced through metal detection, screening and body scans.
I can't carry a seemingly harmless jackknife into an airplane but Johnny Shooter can walk into an elementary school with a loaded firearm... Why?! How?!
The schools are at fault for not deploying metal detectors. Everywhere we go, we need metal detectors?
How about just get rid of the metal? That was easy
You think that people who get to the mental state that it takes to follow through with these types of crimes aren't going to find a way to obtain a firearm if they are illegal?
It's been mentioned in some of your other gun threads, but I think this is more of a mental health crisis than anything else. Guns existed for a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence.
snerb Where are we going, and why am I in a hand basket?
The schools are at fault for not deploying metal detectors. Everywhere we go, we need metal detectors?
How about just get rid of the metal? That was easy
You think that people who get to the mental state that it takes to follow through with these types of crimes aren't going to find a way to obtain a firearm if they are illegal?
It's been mentioned in some of your other gun threads, but I think this is more of a mental health crisis than anything else. Guns existed for a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence.
He waffles on this topic quite a bit.
One day he'll state he wants to take/confiscate and destroy all firearms. The next day he'll post he doesn't actually want to confiscate all firearms.
I don't know why he's so confused by this topic.. it's like blaming our silverware for obesity.
The schools are at fault for not deploying metal detectors. Everywhere we go, we need metal detectors?
How about just get rid of the metal? That was easy
You think that people who get to the mental state that it takes to follow through with these types of crimes aren't going to find a way to obtain a firearm if they are illegal?
It's been mentioned in some of your other gun threads, but I think this is more of a mental health crisis than anything else. Guns existed for a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence.
A couple of things:
I was reading that 70+% of these mass shootings were done obtaining guns by legal means. I would think some of the mass shootings would be prevented had the guns been not as easily accessible.
Also as for guns existing a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence - this changed with 24/7 news cycle as well as more resources to get the information to the public far away from the events. This year seems to be insanely high either way.
You think that people who get to the mental state that it takes to follow through with these types of crimes aren't going to find a way to obtain a firearm if they are illegal?
It's been mentioned in some of your other gun threads, but I think this is more of a mental health crisis than anything else. Guns existed for a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence.
A couple of things:
I was reading that 70+% of these mass shootings were done obtaining guns by legal means. I would think some of the mass shootings would be prevented had the guns been not as easily accessible.
Also as for guns existing a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence - this changed with 24/7 news cycle as well as more resources to get the information to the public far away from the events. This year seems to be insanely high either way.
Maybe. I'm not a gun owner, and I'd imagine this varies by state, but can't be as simple as just go in and legally get a weapon an hour before the attack. Or maybe it is? I guess point being that's it's not really an impulse purchase that results in these attacks, which leads me to believe if someone is planning to carry this out they will likely obtain the weapon one way or another.
snerb Where are we going, and why am I in a hand basket?
I was reading that 70+% of these mass shootings were done obtaining guns by legal means. I would think some of the mass shootings would be prevented had the guns been not as easily accessible.
Also as for guns existing a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence - this changed with 24/7 news cycle as well as more resources to get the information to the public far away from the events. This year seems to be insanely high either way.
Maybe. I'm not a gun owner, and I'd imagine this varies by state, but can't be as simple as just go in and legally get a weapon an hour before the attack. Or maybe it is? I guess point being that's it's not really an impulse purchase that results in these attacks, which leads me to believe if someone is planning to carry this out they will likely obtain the weapon one way or another.
It is that easy, literally. Passing the background check is the only prereq.
Maybe. I'm not a gun owner, and I'd imagine this varies by state, but can't be as simple as just go in and legally get a weapon an hour before the attack. Or maybe it is? I guess point being that's it's not really an impulse purchase that results in these attacks, which leads me to believe if someone is planning to carry this out they will likely obtain the weapon one way or another.
It is that easy, literally. Passing the background check is the only prereq.
Well, that is absurd. Outside of having a thorough background check there should be required training and safety classes that have to be completed in order to obtain a weapon.
What does the background check consist of now? Is the only disqualifier a criminal history?
Vetting of social media accounts should be a part of that process if it's not already.
snerb Where are we going, and why am I in a hand basket?
It is that easy, literally. Passing the background check is the only prereq.
Well, that is absurd. Outside of having a thorough background check there should be required training and safety classes that have to be completed in order to obtain a weapon.
What does the background check consist of now? Is the only disqualifier a criminal history?
Vetting of social media accounts should be a part of that process if it's not already.
Yes, criminal history. I bought a new handgun a couple weeks ago...aside from BS'ing with one of the employees, I could have been in and out in 20 minutes.
I've long been a proponent of expanding background checks and reinstating the waiting period for certain firearms, arguably all.
I've long been a proponent of expanding background checks and reinstating the waiting period for certain firearms, arguably all.
What do you mean by expanding?
The Allen shooter was discharged for having mental instability issues. Then he was (as current info) able to legally purchase and own a gun. If they are scrutinizing applications more, I'm all in. Going after team gang banger for not passing a background check is the fools effort of those who know little about the issue.
snerb Where are we going, and why am I in a hand basket?
I've long been a proponent of expanding background checks and reinstating the waiting period for certain firearms, arguably all.
What do you mean by expanding?
The Allen shooter was discharged for having mental instability issues. Then he was (as current info) able to legally purchase and own a gun. If they are scrutinizing applications more, I'm all in. Going after team gang banger for not passing a background check is the fools effort of those who know little about the issue.
Yes, a deeper dig into the applicant.
We need to get all this information into a single data silo for these firearm purchases.
Our government agencies are terrible at sharing information. My opinion, that type of a discharge should show up during a background check.
The schools are at fault for not deploying metal detectors. Everywhere we go, we need metal detectors?
How about just get rid of the metal? That was easy
I walk through detectors when I walk into work, the grocery store, my village offices, etc... I probably walk through a half dozen metal detectors throughout my normal days....and maybe some I don't know about.
It's not terrible and I don't need counseling for it.
I feel bad for you living in an area where there are too many guns. I experience nothing like this except upon entering a Patriots game and at airports
You think that people who get to the mental state that it takes to follow through with these types of crimes aren't going to find a way to obtain a firearm if they are illegal?
It's been mentioned in some of your other gun threads, but I think this is more of a mental health crisis than anything else. Guns existed for a long time without these stories being a regular occurrence.
He waffles on this topic quite a bit.
One day he'll state he wants to take/confiscate and destroy all firearms. The next day he'll post he doesn't actually want to confiscate all firearms.
I don't know why he's so confused by this topic.. it's like blaming our silverware for obesity.
Waffle ? I clearly want to remove all guns from society. During that negotiation I expect exceptions to be made by location and certification level
Who here wants to go on the record as saying that private ownership/possession of guns make us (US society) safer?
Snerb? Tinley?
My brother-in-law works with people in other countries and has actually done some traveling in Britain, Italy and France in the last couple of years on vacation and business. He says we are getting the reputation as a country that is not safe to visit. I get that. Don’t want to go to the Mall anymore after the last two shootings there.